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I cannot wrap my head around this.
When, e.g., it is Tuesday, May 26th, why do we say "the meeting has been 'moved BACK TO' Friday, May 29th?
Why aren't we moving the date FORWARD to the future date? Isn't the future forward and not behind us?
Is this a back to the future thing? LOL!
(duh)
When, e.g., it is Tuesday, May 26th, why do we say "the meeting has been 'moved BACK TO' Friday, May 29th?
Why aren't we moving the date FORWARD to the future date? Isn't the future forward and not behind us?
Is this a back to the future thing? LOL!
(duh)
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Re: Moved back to...???
Sat, May 23, 2009 - 5:14 AMI read an interesting discussion of this idea in a book by Steven Pinker. I forget which book it was. His idea was that it is basically relative.
I cannot make the meeting on Friday. Can we move it back to Monday? Can we change it up to Monday? Can we push it forward to Thursday?
I had a cancellation in my schedule. Can we move your appointment up to 11:00 am? Can we move your appointment back to 11:00 am?
This topic comes up frequently in my work as a travel agent. A client request travel on Saturday. I find that the flights are sold out or very expensive. Then I ask if they can change dates. I have a much lower price if you can shift forward one day to Sunday or back one day to Friday. It is amazing how many people will interpret the back/forward differently, therefore I simply learned to say the day of the week and avoid confusion.
Pinker also had an fascinating exploration of relative geography. Do you travel from point A up to point B, or down? Is it uptown or downtown? Is one choosing terms based on north-south-east-west ideas or elevation or what? Personally, I tend to think of up-down by north-south, but not always.
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Sat, May 23, 2009 - 7:55 AMBecause "back to" seems to be referring to the time that the meeting was scheduled, not the scheduled time itself...kind of gives me a headache when I think about it. Now I'm going to get back to work lol... -
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Sat, May 23, 2009 - 8:33 AMI schedule appts and give driving directions on the phone at work, too. A request to move the appt 'back to' seems to imply it was that day originally, then they changed it, now they want that first choice again. I don't find myself using or hearing that terminology much at all. Maybe it's a regional thing?
Driving up or down the street however - makes me crazy when my co-worker says 'go down' a certain street when I know the driver will be aiming north on the trip. To me - that's UP.
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Sat, May 23, 2009 - 8:33 AMPinker also had an fascinating exploration of relative geography. Do you travel from point A up to point B, or down? Is it uptown or downtown? Is one choosing terms based on north-south-east-west ideas or elevation or what? Personally, I tend to think of up-down by north-south, but not always.
Chicago is neither beneath nor below Lake Michigan, although it appears that way on the pull-down classroom wall maps. Being a geography/map-oriented (no pun intended) person, I use direction. In fact, I use direction to the extent that when someone giving me directions over the phone tells me to "go right at the signal" I mentally translate that to and write it as the direction in terms of compass. I could never understand people who had to turn a map to orient it in the direction they were facing, but many do, and get totally lost, trying to read a map that is not turned.
In terms of time, I always think in terms of a timeline, with past on the left and future on the right. One moves forward toward the future, and backward to the past. So a meeting that is moved from Thursday to Friday is "moved forward" in my mind. I think the confusion arises because often people think in terms of lists or waiting in line. If you made a list of meetings, the soonest one would be on top, or first in line. So sooner becomes moving up on trhe list or forward in line, and later becomes moving down or backward. -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 3:00 AMI think some people are thinking in terms of the appointment relative to their overall schedule. Changing from Friday to Thursday, making it sooner, is moving it up or forward. Changing from Friday to the following Monday would then be moving it back to a later date on the calendar.
But, like I said, everything is relative and there are likely some regional aspects involved.
When Pinker discussed geographic references, he mentions a tribe in Mexico that locates everything to the village where they live.... or maybe it was the lake. I forget now, but I hope you get the point.
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 5:53 AMWell, I would say my problem is linear thinking. I had to learn to think that way studying for the bar exam, and now it's ingrained. Yikes! -
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Sun, May 24, 2009 - 9:12 AMI am so glad that, after the PE exam, I was able to eliminate linear thinking from my head. Funny, though, I can do it if I have to, but I always feel somehow restrained, and a little bit resentful. Sometimes, trouble-shooting clocks, you have to think linearly, to avoid overlooking some minor thing. I usually fall back on that as a last resort, when I can't figure out why the clock is misbehaving. -
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Mon, May 25, 2009 - 12:26 PMThis reminds of a thermostat---if the a/c is on do you turn it up or down to make it cooler?
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Re: Moved back to...???
Wed, May 27, 2009 - 1:01 PMFor me, when I'm having trouble figuring out what is being said, I find it easiest to remove the offending word from the sentence.
"The meeting has been moved [back] to Friday." Now you know the meeting is on Friday, so it doesn't matter if "back" is the incorrect word.
Where I work, we always speak in terms of "pushing" time. So we're always pushing the meeting forward or pushing the meeting back. It usually depends on whether it's our idea or the client's idea to determine whether we're pushing or pulling.
